Is this on New Vettes ???
Mabe even older ones ???
Mabe even older ones ???
On Our New Vettes Too ??
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The courts already ruled on similar tactics the manufacturer has tried before. GM even issued a statement regarding that at the time . They had gone too far . There is a thread regarding all of this somewhere on the forum. Can't see them getting away with this new version but hard to say what the current US administration would allow them to get away with though when it surely ends up in court again. Lol , just noticed , that's from Fox News ........Quick search........
Yes, there have been notable court rulings and regulatory orders on auto manufacturer data collection, primarily involving privacy violations from vehicle telematics and infotainment systems. These cases often center on unauthorized sharing of driving data, location, and communications with third parties like insurers. Key Rulings Favoring AutomakersA federal appellate judge in Washington state dismissed class action lawsuits against Honda, Toyota, Volkswagen, and General Motors. The court ruled that infotainment systems recording text messages and call logs did not violate the Washington Privacy Act, as it failed to threaten plaintiffs' business, person, or reputation. In a 2010 Canadian arbitration (relevant given your BC location), telematics data from fleet vehicles was deemed not "personal information," allowing employer collection without privacy breach findings. Regulatory Actions on GM/OnStarThe U.S. FTC finalized a 2026 order settling claims against GM and OnStar for misleading enrollment and selling geolocation/driving data without consent. It bans data sharing with reporting agencies for five years, mandates consent for collection, and requires data deletion options—GM discontinued the Smart Driver program. Ongoing CasesA Toyota class action over sharing driving data (location, speed, braking) with insurers like Progressive was placed on hold in February 2026, with the judge compelling arbitration. GM faces additional consolidated federal lawsuits alleging unauthorized data sales to brokers like LexisNexis, impacting insurance rates, but no final rulings reported yet.
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Not sure I fully get your question — are you asking if this applies to the newer Vettes or even the older ones?
If you mean the bat discussion, that doesn’t really relate to “Vettes” at all
Can you clarify what you’re referring to so I can answer properly?
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Just asking if what is in that video would apply to our Corvettes .....I be happy I have me a 2024..... kinda sorry I sold my 64 Bonneville.
What I got from it was it's happening more and more with just about every manufacturer. I recall the stink raised when BMW tried to charge a subscription fee to activate the heated seats that were already in the vehicle you just bought from them . They backed off but this is going to be the situation with new vehicles going forward I'm sure. Doesn't really affect 2024's so much but there is the issue of what happens 10 or 15 years down the road when manufacturers stop software support . Or before that even. I suspect the private sector will step up in some fashion but of course that remains to be seen. And will manufacturers want to give access to their proprietary info ? Hard to predict when that will occur. Kind of gives me a bit of sellers remorse letting my 64' go .
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As the Police noted in a song :
I'll be watching you
Every move you make
Every step you take
I'll be watching you
Big Brother is watching and its a bit scary. Also makes one realize why we need massive data farms. I can't imagine how much info would need to be collected and stored if every vehicle was monitored for all functions all the time.
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Che figata ! Questo gruppo spacca.
Dave91TM
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Sorry , No comprende but google translates it as
- Che figata!: An idiom literally translating to "what a big fig!" but used to mean "That's so cool!" or "How awesome!"
- Questo gruppo spacca: Literally translating to "this group breaks/smashes," but used idiomatically to say "this group is amazing," "this band rocks," or "this team kicks ass." [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]I
In short yes, in long - gradually. Don't expect system shock - it will be rolled out over the next few years.
We've been conditioned pay subscriptions already OnStar, music services, maps, apps etc. over decades.
BMW just said the quiet part out loud and their example was too soon but they've not given up hope, they charge for traffic, remote start, driver assistance packages in select regions from what I recall.
BMW Commits to Subscriptions Even After Heated Seat Debacle
You may not have to pay a monthly fee to keep your butt warm, but BMW isn't backing down from subscription features.
www.thedrive.com
Features as a service is coming. I can't see GM passing up on the opportunity.
And because your feature needs to call home it implies obsolescence at some point when they shut it down.
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Ya know its so sad what this world has become .....In short yes, in long - gradually. Don't expect system shock - it will be rolled out over the next few years.
We've been conditioned pay subscriptions already OnStar, music services, maps, apps etc. over decades.
BMW just said the quiet part out loud and their example was too soon but they've not given up hope, they charge for traffic, remote start, driver assistance packages in select regions from what I recall.
BMW Commits to Subscriptions Even After Heated Seat Debacle
You may not have to pay a monthly fee to keep your butt warm, but BMW isn't backing down from subscription features.
Features as a service is coming. I can't see GM passing up on the opportunity.
And because your feature needs to call home it implies obsolescence at some point when they shut it down.
The days of honest people selling honest products .... that you pay for once ... pay for quality .... and enjoy it for decades ... are a distant memory
Todays greed could care less about you .... unless its about phishing your private information ...... todays greed has little interest in a one and done sale ...
What good is that to them ?.... they want you coming back each and every month .... which brings to mind an unrelated ( sort of ) thought that just crossed my mind
Great example of this is condominiums .... someone had the brain storm that people renting apartments was a bad idea for the rich ....
So developers decided .... Hey lets still build apartment buildings ... but why dont we sell the masses single units for like a million dollars each , parking slabs that are the size of a sheet of plywood for say a hundred grand... and still charge them rent ( in the form of maintenance fees ) that will give them the illusion of ownership and if something goes wrong with the building we can charge each unit " owner " their share of the cost to repair it .... Condos ... one of the biggest scams going .... but not the only one
Of course no offense to condo owners ..... thats just they way i see it ... right or wrong
Other than good looks .... I wonder what gremlins will be living in the C9 Corvette that we may or may not know about ?
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Ya know its so sad what this world has become .....
The days of honest people selling honest products .... that you pay for once ... pay for quality .... and enjoy it for decades ... are a distant memory
Todays greed could care less about you .... unless its about phishing your private information ...... todays greed has little interest in a one and done sale ...
What good is that to them ?.... they want you coming back each and every month .... which brings to mind an unrelated ( sort of ) thought that just crossed my mind
Great example of this is condominiums .... someone had the brain storm that people renting apartments was a bad idea for the rich ....
So developers decided .... Hey lets still build apartment buildings ... but why dont we sell the masses single units for like a million dollars each , parking slabs that are the size of a sheet of plywood for say a hundred grand... and still charge them rent ( in the form of maintenance fees ) that will give them the illusion of ownership and if something goes wrong with the building we can charge each unit " owner " their share of the cost to repair it .... Condos ... one of the biggest scams going .... but not the only one
Other than good looks .... I wonder what gremlins will be living in the C9 Corvette that we may or may not know about ?
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