Elections Canada - Please Read post Number 1

[12cents]

A bit late to the conversation so you might have to reread back a few pages. If Quebec doesn't want a pipeline through their province, that is their choice. They are allowed to have that choice no matter what we think of it. However we can certainly run a pipeline to Eastern Ontario and use tankers through the St. Lawrence to get Western oil to Eastern Canada and let Quebec complain all they want. That is the rest of Canada's choice. A couple of W-E pipelines should have been built generations ago but they were too enthralled with the elephant to the South and the easy money they could get way back.

 

[WLGJ]

A bit late to the conversation so you might have to reread back a few pages. If Quebec doesn't want a pipeline through their province, that is their choice. They are allowed to have that choice no matter what we think of it. However we can certainly run a pipeline to Eastern Ontario and use tankers through the St. Lawrence to get Western oil to Eastern Canada and let Quebec complain all they want. That is the rest of Canada's choice. A couple of W-E pipelines should have been built generations ago but they were too enthralled with the elephant to the South and the easy money they could get way back.

I am not against pipelines but make sure you have a plan if it leaks or make sure really sure it does not , would be better.

 

[Jack Raccoon!]

Wrap it in PPF, The Magical Elixir...

 

[1st Vette]

Just read up on the details on Carney's promise to build 500,000 new home annually? Appears he's earmarked $35 billion to finance loans to builders and will give them publicly owned lands to boot. Just wondering who he expects can afford to buy these homes, even with not having to pay the GST. Don't know about the East but out here, the people that can afford homes already have them and the people who can't afford them don't. So a glut of new homes available benefits who? For argument sake, lets say at $500,000 per home (and that's likely not even close), that's $250 billion minimum worth of new homes available yearly. We have lots of houses for sale here already and few, if not any are affordable for lower income earners. This doesn't help the needy other than possibly getting them into a debt that they are not able to repay. Earning $15.00 an hour doesn't leave you much to pay a mortgage let alone put food on the table, and any banker with a brain isn't going to loan those people half a million dollars anyway. So that leaves the Liberals backing loans, that will never get repaid, for buyers as well. They may as well take the $250 billion and build low cost row housing and give them away for free. And there goes any other expenditures that would actually help the Canadian economy. There goes upgraded defense investment. Pipelines to the east, and much needed infrastructure improvements. Oh well, what's borrowing another few trillion going to hurt the national debt. Not like we can ever pay it back anyway. Thanks to the Liberals, we can't even keep up with the $880.00 per second that it's currently increasing. How many years before Canada's world credit rating drops us to a third word status. Not many. I guess we could ask for the $7 billion in foreign aid back that the Liberals handed out yearly. We need a change and I hope people realize that. If nothing else, let someone else ruin the country. They at least deserve a chance. JMO

All fine and dandy until the realization of the fact that there isn’t anywhere near the number of qualified tradespeople available to make that happen sinks in. No point in letting that cloud yet another “ pipe dream “ campaign promise.

 

[Murray20c8]

All fine and dandy until the realization of the fact that there isn’t anywhere near the number of qualified tradespeople available to make that happen sinks in. No point in letting that cloud yet another “ pipe dream “ campaign promise.

Well, they are all promising housing so?

 

[1st Vette]

Well, they are all promising housing so?

Well sure . But they are promises they can’t keep. In the construction trades there is no lack of available jobs. 20,000 positions not filled in Ontario alone in 2023 .
The skilled trades shortage in Canada primarily affects several key industries:
• Construction: This sector faces significant challenges due to a retiring workforce and insufficient new entrants, impacting housing and infrastructure projects.
• Manufacturing: The shortage of skilled tradespeople like machinists disrupts production lines and supply chains, affecting industries reliant on manufacturing.
• Energy: The lack of skilled tradespeople hinders the implementation of renewable energy projects, impacting sustainability goals.
• Transportation: Shortages in transportation mechanics can increase costs for services like bus fares and plane tickets.

Fewer Workers Means Fewer Homes: Fixing the Construction Labour Shortage - Policy Magazine

The construction industry faces a twin problem: labour shortages and an impending wave of retirements. This is not a simple issue with an easy fix. It

www.policymagazine.ca

 

[Murray20c8]

Well sure . But they are promises they can’t keep. In the construction trades there is no lack of available jobs.
The skilled trades shortage in Canada primarily affects several key industries:
• Construction: This sector faces significant challenges due to a retiring workforce and insufficient new entrants, impacting housing and infrastructure projects.
• Manufacturing: The shortage of skilled tradespeople like machinists disrupts production lines and supply chains, affecting industries reliant on manufacturing.
• Energy: The lack of skilled tradespeople hinders the implementation of renewable energy projects, impacting sustainability goals.
• Transportation: Shortages in transportation mechanics can increase costs for services like bus fares and plane tickets.

Fewer Workers Means Fewer Homes: Fixing the Construction Labour Shortage - Policy Magazine

The construction industry faces a twin problem: labour shortages and an impending wave of retirements. This is not a simple issue with an easy fix. It

www.policymagazine.ca

Ya, so my point is they are all promising it. Instead of pointing out the one we don't like, we should point out they are all doing the same thing. Promising what they can't provide just so they can hear themselves speak.

 

[12cents]

I am not against pipelines but make sure you have a plan if it leaks or make sure really sure it does not , would be better.

No company wants any leaks. The costs are just way too high and cuts into profits. Pipelines are far and away better than rail. No way in 'H E double hockey sticks' should we be transporting so much crude by rail.

 

[Jack Raccoon!]

Remember when that train rolled down the hill in Quebec and took out the entire town...

 

[1st Vette]

Remember when that train rolled down the hill in Quebec and took out the entire town...

And yet Quebec is adamantly opposed to pipelines which are by far the safest alternative to rail transport. And yet between 1988 and 2020, Quebec imported over $228 billion in foreign oil . Imagine if one of those ships ruptured in the St. Lawrence River . Odd ducks .

 

[WLGJ]

And yet Quebec is adamantly opposed to pipelines which are by far the safest alternative to rail transport. And yet between 1988 and 2020, Quebec imported over $228 billion in foreign oil . Imagine if one of those ships ruptured in the St. Lawrence River . Odd ducks .

It wasn't the whole town but about a 1/4. I know people who lived and still live there.

 

[1st Vette]

It wasn't the whole town but about a 1/4. I know people who lived and still live there.

Yes , a very sad story. Many lives changed forever.

 

[Jack Raccoon!]

People, go outside and play...

Street lights are on. Everyone get back inside...

 

[WLGJ]

Yes , a very sad story. Many lives changed forever.

Yes it was a terrible event.

 

[Rruuff Day]

Well, they are all promising housing so?

Poilievre promising a per year increase in new housing... Carney promising a half million homes per year increase...

 

[Rruuff Day]

Ahhhhh.... So Carney won't repeal Bill C69. Pretty much puts new pipeline approvals on the back burner for minimum another 10 years if the Liberals get back in power. Green energy is great but don't let a no-pipeline-dream bankrupt Canada's economy. If we cant ship it we can't sell it to anyone except the US. Trump is going to drill baby drill especially in the US's new 11 billion oil barrel find offshore in Guyana. Once they produce those wells and quit purchasing from Canada, that will play right into Carney's dream of Canada leaving 50% of our oil in the ground. There goes US's $288 million a day that the Liberals won't be able to waste on bad ideas. Oh wait... they can just borrow more and add it to the national debt. Chose Canada's future. Through the pipes, or down the tubes.

 

[1st Vette]

Poilievre promising a per year increase in new housing... Carney promising a half million homes per year increase...

The 8,000 pound elephant in the room isn’t being addressed by any of them. That being the fact, and it’s been a fact for quite some time now, that there is a HUGE shortage of qualified trades people available in the country. The construction industry is crying for skilled workers and contractors have been turning down the projects that developers and government would like to see go ahead but because of lack of manpower, ..errr , sorry, peoplepower it’s not happening. So how they propose to build 500,000 new dwelling units over the next 12 and a half months on top of existing projects is beyond me. And then another 500,000 each successive year ? That’s about as likely as a new pipeline to the east, or west, or north, or south or anywhere. Jesus save us , lol .

 

[1st Vette]

Ahhhhh.... So Carney won't repeal Bill C69. Pretty much puts new pipeline approvals on the back burner for minimum another 10 years if the Liberals get back in power. Green energy is great but don't let a no-pipeline-dream bankrupt Canada's economy. If we cant ship it we can't sell it to anyone except the US. Trump is going to drill baby drill especially in the US's new 11 billion oil barrel find offshore in Guyana. Once they produce those wells and quit purchasing from Canada, that will play right into Carney's dream of Canada leaving 50% of our oil in the ground. There goes US's $288 million a day that the Liberals won't be able to waste on bad ideas. Oh wait... they can just borrow more and add it to the national debt. Chose Canada's future. Through the pipes, or down the tubes.

Do I detect a hint of cynicism here , lol . Sad thing is this is our not so new reality. Down the tubes, it’s enough to make you think it’s something going up their nose ….

 

[Murray20c8]

The 8,000 pound elephant in the room isn’t being addressed by any of them. That being the fact, and it’s been a fact for quite some time now, that there is a HUGE shortage of qualified trades people available in the country. The construction industry is crying for skilled workers and contractors have been turning down the projects that developers and government would like to see go ahead but because of lack of manpower, ..errr , sorry, peoplepower it’s not happening. So how they propose to build 500,000 new dwelling units over the next 12 and a half months on top of existing projects is beyond me. And then another 500,000 each successive year ? That’s about as likely as a new pipeline to the east, or west, or north, or south or anywhere. Jesus save us , lol .

While I can't argue with you, don't lump the whole country into that. It's likely true in Ontario, but is it in NFLD / Labrador?

 

[Rruuff Day]

And yet Quebec is adamantly opposed to pipelines which are by far the safest alternative to rail transport. And yet between 1988 and 2020, Quebec imported over $228 billion in foreign oil . Imagine if one of those ships ruptured in the St. Lawrence River . Odd ducks .

Interesting Quebec allows oil on the St. Lawrence?... I wonder if dickhead Blanchett knows that.... This is from his statement in February.

“We are fiercely opposed to any type of transport on Quebec territory of hydrocarbons from Western Canada to any market whatsoever."

Do I detect a hint of cynicism here , lol . Sad thing is this is our not so new reality. Down the tubes, it’s enough to make you think it’s something going up their nose ….

It's not a generalized cynicism... trust is earned and neither Carney, Poilievre, Singh or any other politician have earned that from me and I'll out on a limb here, and say they likely never will. But I know what the last 10 years of Liberals have accomplished, which is outweighed by what they have screwed up, thus my wish for change. Whatever change brings, at least PP and the Conservatives should be given a chance to do better. And if they don't do any better, in 4 years we'll be trudging down this same road and having this same conversation here again.