New Lobbying presented for another ban on firearms.

I'm trying to have an open conversation. Please don't get ridiculous. If they aren't available to steal then that's one less gun.
Sorry, but that's not correct. Criminals have no problem buying any of the thousands of guns smuggled into Canada every year. The majority of which come from the US. The Canadian National Firearms Tracing Centre traced 7,049 firearms in 2024 that entered the country. If you consider that the interdiction of illegal drugs entering is estimated at 10% approximately with similar numbers for guns that would mean around 70,000 last year alone . This has been going on for decades. Pretty easy to figure out how many illegal guns are out there .
Now if you didn't want to buy one of them you can simply 3D print all you want using a decent 3D printer and instructions and " blueprints " readily available online. Criminals don't tend to use legally registered weapons to commit crimes and taking guns from responsible gun owning citizens isn't going to change that one bit . As a matter of fact it could be argued that it could make things worse if criminals are the only ones left with guns . Far less fear for them of being met by someone with a 12 guage while trying to commit a home invasion for example.
And yes the bleeding hearts will say but what about someone, otherwise not a criminal, that uses a gun during a crime of passion for example? It's pretty easy to kill someone with a knife , crossbow, chainsaw, baseball bat, vehicle or any number of methods. A Bic pen can be a deadly weapon for that matter. Not to forget axes , sharp sticks, arson and fists .
 
It is absolutely correct. One less gun to steal is one less gun to steal. It's not rocket science. It's simple math. Also, please take this to the correct thread.
I just moved it having just now seen the resurrection of the original thread. Take all of the legal firearms from citizens and it won't prevent criminals from obtaining firearms. No matter how you do the " simple math " . That's like saying that if no one has access to alcohol there will be no more fatal car accidents.
 
I just moved it having just now seen the resurrection of the original thread. Take all of the legal firearms from citizens and it won't prevent criminals from obtaining firearms. No matter how you do the " simple math " . That's like saying that if no one has access to alcohol there will be no more fatal car accidents.
No one said that FFS!!! Please read what I said.
Many guns have been stolen in home break-ins.
 
We had a case recently where the homeowner used a gun on an intruder. It turned out the intruder didn't have a gun. I can't remember the specifics but the homeowner was charged. I'm with you 100%. We should have the right to use whatever means necessary to defend our home. If a guy 6'6" breaks into my home with a baseball bat do I have any chance of defensing myself with my own baseball bat! No F'n way. Give me a gun. Not a knife, not pepper spray. I'd rather do the time than have my wife injured in some way.

I refuse to kill for food. I let someone else do it. I know it's hypocritical but that's I can't even take the life of an animal. That said I have no issue with others killing for food. I do have an issue with killing for sport though. Go kill moving targets at a target range or use a camera on a rifle stock.

Now on to guns themselves. I don't see any possible reason why a gun owner wouldn't register their weapons. Again it might be virtually useless but it would help motivate gun owners to properly store their weapons.

Yes, most guns used in crimes are unregistered and are smuggled in from the U.S. That needs to be addressed for sure! It's hypocritical of the government to concentrate their efforts on guns legally owned by citizens. But it would help, no matter how little, to get illegally owned guns confiscated and destroyed.

Another issue is 3D printed guns. How can we stop those?
I think the problem with the homeowner getting charged is that he did not read the burglar his rights before shooting him. ROFL
I can just see people frisking a burglar when this happens to make sure if and what type of weapon the burglar is carrying so the owner can judge appropriate proportional response.. More ROFL
IF IN DOUBT TAKE THEM OUT!
 
For Canada, statistics from around the same period show thousands of theft incidents annually, such as 3,504 incidents in 2018 and 2,086 in 2022, with a significant portion being residential thefts.
And as a % of the total number of firearms in the country ? It is estimated that there are currently between 3 and 5 million firearms in Canada. And yes in an ideal world there would be none . And if that were possible there would no longer be any more firearm related accidents, deaths or crime but unfortunately we don't live in an ideal world. So if even half of the number from 2022 were from thefts that's barely a rounding error. I'm afraid that taking firearms from responsible owners, sportsman, subsistence hunters , target and skeet shooters isn't going to move the dial in any significant way. They are in certain circumstances a necessity. I have over several decades spent time in numerous remote locations at mining and exploration camps for example and without exception every one had a shotgun with slugs , a high power rifle or both for protection from bears . And unfortunately have seen the necessity for their use . It not a case of one size fits all. Extremely controversial topic . Always has been, always will be . And as you yourself said if someone breaks into your house with bad intentions you would rather protect yourself with a shotgun than a knitting needle.
 
And as a % of the total number of firearms in the country ?
One less available to be stolen. So what if it's a spit in the bucket. It's part of the problem no matter how small. All parts have to be attended to. There are millions of coyotes in Canada, but it only takes one to kill a child. Should we ignore that one koyote?
 
Can we not try and get there?
Be like trying to kill all of the coyotes. Or mosquitoes, lol . In the UK guns are very tightly restricted except for law enforcement . Now their big problem is knives. Can't outlaw knives.

In the UK, specifically England and Wales, there were over 51,527 knife crime offenses recorded in the 12 months up until June 2025, excluding Greater Manchester where data is recorded differently. Of these offenses, 196 were classified as homicides. In 2024, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) reported over 55,000 incidents of knife-enabled crime, which was a 4% increase compared to the previous year and an 80% increase relative to a decade ago. Out of these incidents, there were over 260 murders involving a knife or sharp instrument. Additionally, hospital admissions related to assaults by sharp objects numbered 3,735 in 2024. The majority of knife crime incidents occur in metropolitan areas such as Greater London, the West Midlands, and Greater Manchester, which together account for nearly half of all incidents in England and Wales. Knife crime has been a significant and ongoing issue, with the most frequently used weapon being kitchen knives .
 
Can we not try and get there?
We need to ban the sale of all C8's and sports cars in general. If you have already bought one it should be confiscated. They are not electric and burn gas. I am told that climate change is an existential threat to humanity and is killing people that live in underserved communities/countries. Even if we can save one life we need to take away other peoples freedoms and ban the sale of all sports cars to start with and then move onto forcing everyone into electric cars. You see, as a leftist I like to control other peoples lives and restrict their freedoms as long as it's in an area that I have no interest in and that doesn't affect me in any way.
 
We need to ban the sale of all C8's and sports cars in general. If you have already bought one it should be confiscated. They are not electric and burn gas. I am told that climate change is an existential threat to humanity and is killing people that live in underserved communities/countries. Even if we can save one life we need to take away other peoples freedoms and ban the sale of all sports cars to start with and then move onto forcing everyone into electric cars. You see, as a leftist I like to control other peoples lives and restrict their freedoms as long as it's in an area that I have no interest in and that doesn't affect me in any way.
A lot of the world is trying to get rid of fossil fuels. That won't happen very fast and certainly not in my life time, but I hope my grandcouslings will have a world to present to their grandkids. Ignoring a problem just makes it worse for generations to come. If someone doesn't care then they likely don't care about much. You are forced to wear a seatbelt when you drive. Are you whining about your freedoms for that?
As one famous person once said "The needs of the many outway the needs of the few".
 
Be like trying to kill all of the coyotes. Or mosquitoes, lol . In the UK guns are very tightly restricted except for law enforcement . Now their big problem is knives. Can't outlaw knives.

In the UK, specifically England and Wales, there were over 51,527 knife crime offenses recorded in the 12 months up until June 2025, excluding Greater Manchester where data is recorded differently. Of these offenses, 196 were classified as homicides. In 2024, the Office for National Statistics (ONS) reported over 55,000 incidents of knife-enabled crime, which was a 4% increase compared to the previous year and an 80% increase relative to a decade ago. Out of these incidents, there were over 260 murders involving a knife or sharp instrument. Additionally, hospital admissions related to assaults by sharp objects numbered 3,735 in 2024. The majority of knife crime incidents occur in metropolitan areas such as Greater London, the West Midlands, and Greater Manchester, which together account for nearly half of all incidents in England and Wales. Knife crime has been a significant and ongoing issue, with the most frequently used weapon being kitchen knives .
It's a lot harder to kill with a knife.
 
A lot of the world is trying to get rid of fossil fuels. That won't happen very fast and certainly not in my life time, but I hope my grandcouslings will have a world to present to their grandkids. Ignoring a problem just makes it worse for generations to come. If someone doesn't care then they likely don't care about much. You are forced to wear a seatbelt when you drive. Are you whining about your freedoms for that?
As one famous person once said "The needs of the many outway the needs of the few"

A lot of the world is trying to get rid of fossil fuels. That won't happen very fast and certainly not in my life time, but I hope my grandcouslings will have a world to present to their grandkids. Ignoring a problem just makes it worse for generations to come. If someone doesn't care then they likely don't care about much. You are forced to wear a seatbelt when you drive. Are you whining about your freedoms for that?
As one famous person once said "The needs of the many outway the needs of the few".
The needs of the many outweigh your desire to own a Corvette. You shouldn't own one. Although I know you will whine about that if it ever comes to fruition and you are forced to sell it to the government. Why, because it now effect you personally. Anything else however is fair game right.
 
The needs of the many outweigh your desire to own a Corvette. You shouldn't own one. Although I know you will whine about that if it ever comes to fruition and you are forced to sell it to the government. Why, because it now effect you personally. Anything else however is fair game right.
You own old cars don't you? They likely pollute a heck of a lot more than a C8.
Yes, I eat steak. So I help with cattle farts also. I try to do my part in other ways.
I certainly don't whine about any of it.
 
Yes, I do, but I am not the one telling other people that the government should confiscate their property and take away something that they enjoy doing just because I don't care about it and it doesn't have on impact on me personally. You aren't picking up what I am laying down. I give up.
 
It's a lot harder to kill with a knife.
Now THAT'S a knife !
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You own old cars don't you? They likely pollute a heck of a lot more than a C8.
Yes, I eat steak. So I help with cattle farts also. I try to do my part in other ways.
I certainly don't whine about any of it.
Think of the damage cows are doing to the environment, lol. We got to fire up the barbecue and put and end to the horror......
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